28 Aug 2014

Cost to hire a domestic maid (FDW)

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Posting here to show how activist rate us and kept focusing at that miserable monthly salary.  

Who can survive without food and lodging?  All employee in Spore pay for their own living costs, except the good life/pampered maids.  This person posted in my blog without using brain?  It is obvious we can't change the mindset of such self-centered or fake saints.  

Do you really need to hire a maid ... knowing the odds are on your side?  Think about MOM's harsh terms and the evil/die-hard forces (fighters/activists) for FDWs.

If the reason why you wanted to hire a FDW (maid) is because you felt hiring a FDW is dirt cheap, only cost $450 to $500 per month, read this blog and every post (click) .... the answers are there, up to you to read!  It is usually those who were bullied by maids mentally and/or financially will know the real taste of employing FDWs.  I find it extremely hard to describe and get people to feel the same 难起共鸣.  Most people have a soft spot for maids and don't believe employers.  Just like you've not been a special needs parent, how much can you understand what I'm going through?

Don't be cheated or be naive to think employing a maid will definitely make your life easier.  The quality of FDWs have deteriorated yet salary and recruitment fee have increased by about twofold, compared to 2 years ago.  



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Jun 2014
FDW's salary








This DIY self ad of a filipino maid, claimed not given off day but able to hook on to internet and looking for good heart employer (her current bad heart?). 
Posed with employer’s child.  I get offended with maid posing with my child and uploaded picture online or sharing behind my back.




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1 Feb 2014
Based on the MOM’s latest levy for Service sector, unskilled: S$400. If MOM is really thinking of increasing the FDW levy and wants to encourage those who are holding work permits to employ FDWs, the ideal levy for this group of employers is S$500/mth. PRs pay $400/mth (normal rate) while qualified citizens remain as paying a concession rate of $120/mth.

The current (normal rate) levy to employ a foreign domestic worker is S$265/mth. If my suggestion is workable, in future, employers who want 2 maids in the same address should pay $800-1000 for their 2nd FDW....cos rich people felt employing maids is dirt cheap.  Expats felt it is something they are not 'entitled to' when in home country so became a must have for some to show off.

The NPTD paper estimated Singapore will need 300,000 maids by year 2030 (as at Dec 2013, there were 214,500 FDW work permit issued) so I don’t think MOM wants to 见财化水,不能从中牟利. Work permit-employers don’t need to worry that you’ll be weeded out. You will still be able to employ cheap maids, continue to show $power and be the most desirable employers in maids’ view. By offering a private room to the FDW, shorter working hours, give extra off days (not just weekly rest day) …. these are + + +!

Our PAP still have plenty of rooms for improvement. I hope PAP/MOM is not up to some dirty tricks, one hand gives and the other hand takes back $$ in double!

In Budget 2013, it was announced that those paying concession rate of $170/mth will receive $50 discount so means some employers are paying $120/mth. I hope this will be the discounted/final amount regardless levy is increased till whatever amount. Those who qualified for FDW grant, if I read the budget correctly, it means paying zero value. I hope it remains … zero, based on per capita income.

There should be a great difference between Citizens, PRs and Foreigners. The same theory for healthcare and education, foreigners are paying more. Citizens should ultimately be the ones enjoying the country's benefits and receive subsidized rate for holding pink ICs, not forgetting our male citizens went thru National Service for this land.

The cost to employ an inexperience/fresh filipino maid is $500 with 4 off days (noticed online ad, some agencies advertised fresh Phil maid $450 with 4 off days.  I guess they are aware fresh maids are not worth $500 with 4 off days or just a scam). Fresh Indonesian and Myanmar is about S$450, some has one off day each month, some gets 4 off. The rest - Cost to Hire a FDW will be the same as below table. In total, each month, to employ a maid, her salary and live-in costs is about S$1500... meaning, a maid's take home pay is much more than Spore low income citizens. 

No other job, except FDW, employer covers her daily living expenses.  All employee, whether you work in an office, shop, restaurant or stalls, you have to bear your own meals, transport, food, insurance, accommodation, etc.

Some rich employers/expats/activists deliberately DO NOT factor in FDW's live-in costs. I repeat, all employee receives a salary and need to pay his/her own transport, food, insurance, accommodation, etc EXCEPT FDWs. Therefore, it is most sensible that you sum up using below table. You are, not others, are providing FDW's agency fee, levy, salary, food, insurance, accommodation, in-house training, etc .... I don't believe all these are free but I believe you could be earning a lot to disregards her living costs, even a pet has a cost to live, so isn't it weird that there are people who continuously look at a maid's salary and ignored' her other costs. Sounds like 自欺欺人,何必做到那么出格,为别人做嫁衣, 尽力欺负和重伤我们 (Employers)? 埋没良心真的就能把你变成好人?


Read: Who earns lesser than FDW?

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If the reason why you wanted to hire a FDW (maid) is because you felt hiring a FDW is dirt cheap, only cost $420 to $500 per month compared to childcare centre and you can make her at your beck & call?  Read this blog and every posts.... the answers are there!  Don't be cheated or be naive to think employing a maid will make your life easier.  If your maid is like mine, stubborn, owns a mobile/net savvy and have off days .... you won't dare to think managing maid is simple and easier than any local employee.
Read: Do you really need a maid?


22 Apr - This calculation is based on Philippines Embassy's intention to make Sg employers pay more, suffer more yet didn't get better maid service.  The Philippine government wants Singapore employers to bear its domestic workers' placement fees, which on average cost $2,000 or four months' salary. It wants to prevent filipino maids from paying this.  Fresh Filipino maid has nothing to lose.  Anything unhappy, employer kiss good-bye to all the money invested, nothing to tie FDWs down.  Filipinos fly to Spore completely no loan, no burden so not required to commit and do a good job!  Encouraged to run or behave badly at employers' expense.... legally protected leeches!  MOM should step in to eliminate middleman, unscrupulous agency and stop source country from being so hungry.

When you hired a bad Filipino maid, you lose S$2000 + another S$1000.
- Add SIP costs, insurance, agency fee and one way air ticket to repatriate her.

When you hired a lousy or princess Filipino maid, you lose S$2000 + another S$1000 to get her transferred out.
- Add accommodation at agency ($20/day), MOM levy, agency fee, insurance and salary of a maid who didn't physical stay & work for you.

S$3000 flew away, is this cheap?  Can you afford?  If the quality of maids didn't improve, it is very likely to see people trying to fish money from Employers' pocket.

Most households need a FDW for dual roles, not plainly as a babysitter, cleaner or elder caregiver.  It may be cheaper to hire a babysitter, put in childcare centre or engage part-time cleaner but if you've more than one child, work long or irregular hours, it is more practical to get a FDW.  For me, I don't have an option to put my girl into a special needs daycare centre, get relatives' help, in-law's help nor could get a good babysitter living nearby, willing to give my girl loving care.   Employing a FDW is my only option to earn a decent salary to cope with Sg high living standard.... if anyone bothers to read my blog.... should know.



Read: Who get lesser than FDWs and don't enjoy the privileges of foreign maids?

Using old system, employer must help to pay maid loan of 7 to 8 months once you agree to hire a fresh maid.  Maid will only receive her real salary after 7-8 months of FREE LABOUR. 
Money eaten by local and home country agencies.  If maid claimed she is unaware of above S$2000 maid loan (placement fee), employer will lead a tough life.  Maid will assume employer cheated her money.

Is it dirt cheap to hire a domestic maid (FDW) in Spore? S$1700 per month?  Is it fair to make us pay all the live-in expenses and costs imposed by MOM but quality of FDWs kept detoriorating?

* low FDW retention means FDW worked just a few months, very often less than one year and was transferred out.  I would believe most employers prefer to keep their FDWs so as not incurr losses and waste their time spent to train FDWs.  Not many Sg employers are rich stay-home women, can afford the costs and time (take annual leave). When a FDW is really lousy, unwilling to work then FDW has to be sent back to maid agency.  No such thing as employer gets free replacement.  Each replacement is not really free and you don't get a suitable maid sourced by the same agency (you can afford to wait 1 to 3 months?) so don't be cheated by such gimmick, look at the terms and conditions before you pay full.  Most agents just want to rush you to sign the papers and didn't let you read the contract properly, said you can read at home ... too late to regret if terms are unfavourable.

Fresh Filipino FDW's take home pay each month is S$500. Not required to pay anything or affected by Spore high cost of living.  This amount excludes what FDW spends during weekly off days.  Maids can find 'sponsors' to pay so that she can have $500 untouched.  Just need to learn from other experienced/polluted maids, they don't mind show newbies the ropes.

 
Cost of Indonesian live-in FDW
Description - employer's spendingMonthly
Remarks
Fresh/Inexperience Indonesian FDW $450.0
minimum salary, as per Indonesia embassy
weekly off days by law, year 2013 @$69.20$0.0
based on 26 working days, salary includes 4 off day (compensation)
Spore Agency fee $988 to 1888, based on 12months @$1288$107.3
low FDW retention, no guarantee FDW will complete 2 years
Maid loan (FDW owe agencies)$0.0
7 months salary, employer pays advance $3200
$367.05 Medical & insurance + bond$61.2
divided by 6 months. FDW Insurance has no refund value after FDW worked above 181 days

Half yearly medical test, MOM requirement

3 meals, same as employer

$6.5

$312.0


FDW pregnancy and health check-up

Based on 26 working days
FDW Levy$170.0
usual is $265
Settling (SIP) course$7.4
divided by 12month (low FDW retention rate)
Accommodation, Utilities, laundry and bathroom facilities $400.0
based on twin-sharing room rental
Medical, sundries, transport, pillow, mattress, bedsheet, etc$20.0


15 days Home Leave after 2year contract
$12.0
Use 24 months to save and pay FDW home leave
Return air ticket cost minimum $500, after 2year contract$20.8
Use 24 months to save and pay FDW home leave
Employer paysS$1,567.30
This is what Employer forks out each month.
Is it dirt cheap to hire a domestic maid (FDW) in Spore? Is it fair to make us pay all the live-in expenses and costs imposed by MOM but quality of FDWs kept detoriorating?

FDW's take home pay each month
Not required to pay anything or affected by Spore high cost of living 
S$450.0

No weekly off days so not much spending.
Maids can find 'sponsors' to pay so that she can have $450 untouched.  Don't be surprised, she has her ways even though no off days.  They are smart!



For NTUC Income FDW insurance policy MI2E, MI3E and MI4E plans issued with or without Waiver of Counter Indemnity on 01 Jan 2010 onwards, you will be entitled to the following refund amounts. This is provided that your Foreign Maid Insurance policy is taken up for a term of 26 months and is cancelled within 180 days.

When policy cancellation is done from the start date of Foreign Maid Insurance
Refund Amount
Within 60 days
70% of policy premium
Within 61 to 90 days
55% of policy premium
Within 91 to 180 days
40% of policy premium
From 181 days onwards
No Refund



Basic premium rates
26 months policy$   367.05^
14 months policy$   238.65^
The cost to hire a domestic maid may rise if your FDW happens to get a low starting pay, compared to FDWs from another country.  Yahoo has this article about different nationalities were offered different starting pay in Spore.   This is related to SMRT bus drivers' strike.  Source

The civil advocacy groups Maruah, Think Centre, Transient Workers Count Too (TWC2) and Workfair Singapore, called for an anti-discrimination culture and law to be cultivated and instituted respectively in Singapore.

“Migrant workers are treated as commodities. They have basic rights. How can you just kick them around as if they are nothing?”

“The objective and the intention behind not giving a 14-day notice must come into play”, noting that the act is one of public order and thus, the strike’s intent must be proven.  Based on Parliamentary speeches made by Lee Kuan Yew and David Marshall in 1955, the Criminal Law (Temporary Provisions) Act (CLTPA), which metes out an imprisonable sentence, is targeted at clamping down on “topengs” (agitators) and “hotheads” who may disregard negotiations intended to be held during the 14-day strike notice period.

Winter:  Filipino, Indonesian, Myanmese, Indian, Sri Lankan FDWs are being offered different starting pay (inexperience fresh maid).  So if these activists want to make life more difficult for FDWs’ employer, what can we do?  If activists insist all human should enjoy the same minimum starting pay, regardless nationalities and living standard, who will help to protect our interest and hard earned money?  
MOM? 

Wait long long!  MOM will be happy to continue take the back seat, support the foreigners and make our pockets burnt.  (click, see what MOM replied to me) MOM will not turn down any request made by source countries or activists.  Has MOM turned down any lately?  What have they done to help?  Which policy did MOM implemented recently that is proven effective and helpful to us?  Already 4 months since the weekly off day was legislated.  What regulation was passed out to reduce our liabilities and risks when maids are enjoying off days? 

Maid are now more proned to sexual diseases yet employer still made liable to pay for their half yearly medical check-up.  If FDWs are found pregnant or infected with diseases and the Dr report to MOM instead of letting employers know in advance, what can you do to minimise your losses and inconvenience caused?  Nothing, no law has been passed to safeguard our interests nor erase our fears. 

Just highlighting another case of being friendly and helpful to foreigners.  I didn't say the bus drivers shouldn't stand up to uphold their rights .... just jealous and frustrated activists are helping them, whereas, no organisation bothers to look at us. 

Looks like the country law means nothing to activists, if they felt not right, just hit people with 'Human Rights' and you are half dead!  Treat human like commodity, treat maids like slaves ... all sorts of accusation to make 'human rights' stand out.  This weapon call 'Human Rights' is so powerful but can FDWs' employer use it?  MOM didn't treat us like human, disregards our feelings, we're less important compared to FDWs..... we're just their money trees, ATM machines, am I right?  If you disagree, kindly direct me to some new policies that state FDWs' employer are also human, treated fairly and given equal human rights/protection from the hungry wolves.  Tell me something to brighten my life as a FDW's employer.  I believe I'm not the only employer who need some encouragement/news to show MOM/PAP didn't forsake us, value 'outsiders' more than citizens (trying very hard to make ends meet). 


When a worker demands, go on strike for better pay at the expenses of others, their employers get fined due to the disruption they caused.


Dec 2012 - I paid these for my Indonesia maid (Nov):

$450
Indonesian FDW's Salary - minimum salary
$1288
Agency fee (agencies claimed their FDWs are trained - 400 hrs) Employer's house is the real training centre, not agency
$2925
FDW's 6.5 month loan (she's a transfer maid)
$321
2-year medical & insurance + bond
$170
FDW Levy (concession, normal is S$265/month)
$350
3 meals, same as employer (based on 29 working days, using $3 per meal, excluding drink, snacks, visits to restaurant)
$4
$400
FDW half yearly medical check-up
Accommodation, Utilities, single bed, laundry and bathroom facilities.  A common room rental in Spore is $600 to $900/month
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Settling (SIP) course (a training imposed by MOM but just a waste of employer's money).  Factored into agency fee.
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Medical, sundries, transport, etc
$400
Return air ticket cost minimum S$400, after completion of a 2-year contract
$225
15 days paid Home Leave after completion of a 2-year contract
?
Employer's liabilities: runaway FDW and $5000 security bond
?
Repatriation cost of a bad maid - one way ticket home
cross my fingers, hope nothing happens that will fish money from my pocket


Pay FDW high salary does not equate to better performance. Employers who have learnt the hard way will know what I mean. They know that FDWs nowadays get much higher salary, better welfare and more people to pity them. Their quality had deteriorated, not worth the dollars and cents!

I believe it's better to pay an inexperienced FDW a reasonable monthly salary of S$400 per month.  The monthly levy that MOM made us paid can be considered as bonus.  If the FDW successfully completed 23 months of service with her employer, will be getting a 2-year contract renewal, the levy that her employer has paid to MOM should be cashed out and become her bonus.  Let's say $170 x 24 months = S$4080!!  This will really motivate a FDW to provide good domestic service, childcare or eldercare and stick to one employer.  It will also encourage FDWs to stay in Spore and not fly to Hong Kong or Taiwan.  Usual re-contract is 10% salary increment.

While hunting for a suitable transfer maid, I saw an Indian/Nepalese whom I was very keen to hire but hubby uninterested.  Her English seemed better than my Indo.  She can eat anything, looked tall and matured.  I regret not following my heart and ask her to visit my house for interview.

Hope MOM encourages Spore agencies to bring in FDWs from new source countries such as rural/poor China provinces, Cambodia or Vietnam to stop embassies from making unreasonable demands.   Home countries unwilling to provide high salary to their own people yet expect Spore employers to pay, ridiculous! 

Can MOM stop agencies from treating FDWs like commodities?  Stop making employers look like ATM machines, bear all the risks & costs and allowed agencies to make huge profit from each FDW that was marketed?

Allow DIY, provide a legal online website in each source country for employers to bring in FDWs without going through any agent?  Can MOM allow FDW be housed in a boarding house and remove all liabilities lumped on my shoulder?  I don't want to know what she does after working hours or on off days.  Don't make me fully responsible for her bad behaviour and well-being, especially when she's not physically working in my house.

I don't know how long I can tolerate life living with FDW.  Will I be able to endure till M finishes her loan?  Will I live to see 明天会更好?

Felt nowadays, hiring a FDW is like killing myself slowly.  If you have no sickness, you may end up with.  I stopped my long-term medication but worry new FDW may trigger my illness.  I feel like I'm a volcano going to erupt.

Many years ago, before I became a FDW's employer, there are many University grads who accepted the position of Foreign Domestic Worker.  Now, a lot are just Primary or Secondary level.  Due to little education, they couldn't understand simple English, incapable of doing a proper job as per instructions/training.  These FDWs merely came due to the high FDW demand.  They flew here thinking FDW are easy jobs, paid high salary and the debts (maid loan) is every employer's responsibility.  Maids thought they can get employers to share their wealth example indulge her with expensive mobile phone, fine dining, etc. 

When you hired a maid, the cost above will be even more if the person hired is having such mentality.  The reason: you didn't meet her expectations, maid thought you've short-changed her entitlement so she wanted a transfer or runaway. 


Comparison - A maid’s salary:

Dubai
Dh1400 to Dh2000 (S$500), with experience
Dh1100 – Filipino with no experience
Expat offers DH2500 to 3000

Hong Kong
HK$3920 (S$617), with experience
Employers prefer those who've worked 2 years in Spore
Given weekly off days and Public Holiday off

Taiwan
NT$15840 (S$665) , with experience

Employers prefer those who've worked 2 years in Spore

Levy NT$5000 (S$200)
Working on off days will be paid NT$528/off-day

Saudi
US$210 (S$257) - Filipino with no experience

Malaysia
RM$700 (S$350), no experience – one task recommended for this salary (Employers felt not workable)

Singapore
S$450 to $500, no experience, depends on nationality of FDW
Mandatory weekly off days.  Pay compensation for no-off based on 26 working days/month 
Expat offers at least S$600 with juicy terms

By the way, to expatriates or other high income earners, spending S$1500/per on FDW is no big deal, simply too cheap to hire a live-in domestic maid.  Expat tend to focus on the basic salary (S$400 to $500) and start screaming ‘so low, OMG!’, having a maid is a must-have thing in Spore because it is too affordable to them!  A lot of expatriates auto increase the salary of their FDWs by paying extra S$100 to 200 above market rate. 

This kind of cash rich people should really have a taste of what it means by being too nice, spend generously on their FDWs and end up being played out!  You may think I’m mean but this is the best way to stop people from accusing us as bad employers, treating FDWs like slaves, didn’t try to give FDWs a better life in Spore and allow more freedom.

Read more by clicking this image.

Links:
Maid is not a family member
FDWs add stress to Employers
Do your sums
Why set up a blog?


How do we, the employers show that we really paid a lot for FDWs but not fairly protected by law?  How do we get MOM and activists to recognise the fact that foreign domestic workers (FDW) are a necessity in some households?  How do we feedback to MOM we are victimised by maid agencies, maids and embassies? Also, MOM may tweak its policy if more voices are received from employers.   Employers in Spore, I suggest you
email MOM to : mom_fmmd@mom.gov.sg or write in to
Ministry of Manpower, 18 Havelock Road, Singapore 059764 with your real name and ID. 
It will be better if you've proof/evidence to submit.


Agency fee in Spore (one example)



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13 comments:

  1. Just to share, I renewed my Indo maid's contract in May 2011. Her salary went up from $360 to $400 within the first year, and upon renewal, $430. End of this year, I would have to renew the contract again (passport expiry). So, I will most probably have to pay her $500 (if I want a maid)... because, while she has her imperfections, it is better to pay her (the devil I know @$500)then to re-train and pay someone else (the angel/devil I still do not know, $500 or more!). Plus the agency fees, maid loan, etc etc

    This place is win-win for agents and maids. Employer’s roles are to pay & pay and don’t ask govt why we are not covered under their mighty wings!

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  2. I can't agree more.
    SG employers of domestice workers suffer most especially when embassies put pressure on our government and make demands that favour their own people like higher salary and more restdays. Worse still our own kind are told that market is no good we have to make do with less or no increment, work longer hours to be productive and keep our economy going... while our domestic helpers get handsome pay rise that is ON PAR WITH MARKET plus more leisure time to go out and play!!??
    Under such condition how are we Singaporean going to pro-create when we have such tight resources and little time of our own?? How to save up when a large part of our salary go into maintaining a maid, levy, taxes, housing loans, utility bills etc etc!!??

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  3. I totally agree with you. It is headache to hire a maid nowadays, not to mention a good one. The expats' offers made things worse.

    Filipinos working in Malaysia has a basic salary of RM1200 with Sundays off. We can request for no-off days which will cost additional RM50 per Sunday. Thus, a filipino without off days will cost RM1400 to RM1450 ( which is equivalent to Sgd540 to Sgd570 per month). And this is just the salary, excluding food, toiletries and etc. Employers still have to pay anywhere between RM11k to RM13k (about Sgd4300 to Sgd 5000) as agent fee, which is non-refundable if maid runs away and non-deductible from maid's salary under the new law which was passed beginning 2013. Under the old system, maids are required to pay about RM6k (thru monthly salary deductions) out of the total agent's fee.

    Due to the new ruling, maids are becoming less responsible and less committed to work. Filipinos also tend to compare with each other. Expats working in Malaysia are paying 'freelance' maids (usually runaway/illegal maids who claim to have valid work permits but that's bullsh*t) anywhere between RM1500 to RM2000 (Sgd 580 to Sgd 780) per month, WITH Sundays AND public holidays off. On top of that, they get 1 month bonus per year. This, indirectly encourages more runaways from us (the locals) because our maids know that they can earn higher salaries working as freelancers for expats. If they ever get caught by the authorities, all they need to do is to bribe them with RM500 (true story by several freelancers I encountered). That explains why there are so many illegals in Malaysia!

    My friend who was desperate for a maid due to shortage of maids into Malaysia since last year, is currently paying her freelance maid a salary of RM1700 (about Sgd 665) per month, with Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays off. Her freelancer comes in on Monday morning and leaves on Friday evening. If my friend need her to work on public holidays, double pay applies (RM100 per public holiday).

    How frustrating for us!

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  4. My maid has been with me for two years and I renewed her not because of her improvement in her work but because my kids have adjusted to her. Meaning, with regards to her work, I will close both eyes. But I will always monitor her because I still cannot trust her in her work. Medicine administration totally cannot make it. I will always have to remind her which is very frustrating. And when she realized (5-6months before her wor permit expires) that her work permit expires, she demanded to know what will be our decision, and if we are not going to renew her, she demanded us to release her and and asked for transfer. With her kind of attitude do you think I will transfer her? Do you think the next employer will not come back to question me? I mean who knows? Anyway, she has been asking us until it's time for renewal. Her quality of work is not acceptable. She is like a nail that needs a hammer to be knocked all the time. Do you think she is worth $450? Another thing, she demanded a $500 salary. The agency told me to send her back if she is going to give a lot of problems. So I told her, if you have any doubts, don't keep asking your relatives, go and ask any agencies and I am not stopping you. After that she stopped probing. But she still has it in her head that $500 monthly salary and she cannot understand that she is only worth $350. I hope that the government both Philippines and Singapore would look more on the quality of their work for a certain period then decide which salary bracket they belong. And since they ask for higher salary, they should be reviewed every month for employers feedback. Agencies are not much of a help. They only say the match is not there - no chemistry between employers and employees. It's so frustrating. I hope that both government would look into the quality of the work of the maid plus their psychological understanding that their salary is based on their experience and quality of work and not just because you can hammer them just to do the job. So what is the point in hiring a maid if you cannot leave the maid at home with peace of mind?

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  5. with a maid, expenses shoot up. if maid can help out, money spent is justifiable...if not, then it is additional headache and stress. when I refused to get another maid after packing off the Filipino, hubby was complaining about having to fold the clothes and mop floor...I reminded him how much money we are saving by NOT having a maid. the quality of our life to have maid didn't improve.

    keeping your sanity is very important. govt will not take care of you if you got crazy by employing maid.

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  6. We didn't work out the costs. Whatever agency says, we paid. To hire a maid, it is all about paying.

    My mum's maid just arrived on Sat. Not cheap for her salary and not forgetting we got to compensate her for no off days. My mum wasn't too strict with the Indon maid, just told her to clean up the house and ask her to do her work slowly and well. Mum also told her she will need to learn cooking, etc. Mum said to Indon maid once she can run the household w/o mum worrying, she will give her a pay rise.

    So far, maid is ok. Agency also conveyed to her, in front of us, that she cannot steal food to eat and money in the house. She must listen to instructions and ask if not clear. Hope the expensive agency fee is worth it. No major faults yet but we are still observing...too soon to judge. Mine is coming in Jan, praying hard to get a good one.

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  7. Hiring a maid is a hit or a miss. For our case, initially we manage to get a new comer, my mother trained her on her daily chores and good thing she managed to follow it by the numbers.

    I think treat them well as a person and they will pay it back with a good service.
    we got our maid from imtidad and here's their site http://imtidad.com.sg/

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  8. Treat them well & they will pay it back with good service? Utter bullshit. As the saying goes, give them an inch & they'll take a yard. Ingrates. 1st hand experience from 2 different maids. Ive had enuf of these pple. Better to put up with physical stress than the mental stress that comes with employing such liabilities.

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  9. I agree... I currently just employed a Myanmar maid who always say that she cannot understand. She doesn't forget to eat and wear shoes but always forget to feed my babies. Always remind her to follow the feeding time and schedule and even write it down on a piece of paper but she never says nor do anything when the time comes. Just ignore. What's worst is she get off the taxi cab that we took without telling me firsthand, taking out my daughter while I am getting money from my purse to pay taxi driver. Then let her stand barefooted on the middle of the street, beside the back of the taxi while trying to take the trolley out from the taxi and assemble. I was carrying my younger baby who just slept after being fed in the car while closing my bag and getting other things out of the cab. Then I was shocked to see my toddler standing barefooted. The taxi driver told me that he cannot take it anymore to see my toddler on the middle of the street barefooted so he summoned the maid to take my toddler to the sidewalk, and helped her assemble the trolley. Before that we went to the hospital in the morning and I even told her to stay in the cab while I go out of the cab to assemble the trolley. Then she already forget what I told her earlier and frustrated me a lot when we reached home by doing this very stupid and risky mistake.

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  10. I have had 4 piony helpers and one of them was serious to work and she made a difference, renovated her hut to concrete home. The other three, honestly, they only want to do the minimum, and would skip their work whenever they can. My current pinoy helper lies often, which is frustrating to me, but life goes on, the only way is to supervise her when I'm home and close an eye when I'm not.

    When I'm not home, she would wear my dress, jewellery, and use my makeup to take some pretty photos and those photos are on her Facebook to attract Bangladesh men.

    I don't want to fire a person from developing country for doing such childish things. I gave her some dress, jewellery, and makeup instead, and tell her not to wear or use mine without asking for permission.
    Other than these, she cleans, does laundry and cares my two dogs, those are things I need help, but I definitely won't recontract her because she can't tell the truth.





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  11. I agree. Experience shows that their presence is a "headache". Most of them either don't know how to cook and expect us to teach them or reason being, "your family may not like my cooking". Our house is their training centre. Its difficult to handle them. I really don't know whether to be nice or "strict" to them when work concerns.
    There were instances, too nice they did something else, too strict also never listen and that made yourself fedup and finally have to transfer them out. From Indon to Filipino - don't know how long I can tolerate this. The present one always sleep downstairs when she finish her work while I babysit my granddaughter upstairs. Just because I told her from the beginning that she knows her body well, if she feels tired she can take a rest and sleep. She sleeps whenever time permits........never want to look for other misc work in the house like cleaning the cooker hood or whatever!

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  12. Update:
    The cost to employ an inexperience/fresh filipino maid is $500 with 4 off days. Fresh Indonesian and Myanmar is about S$450, some has one off day each month, some gets 4 off. The rest - Cost to Hire a FDW will be almost the same as above. In total, each month, to employ a maid, her salary and live-in costs is about S$1500... meaning, a maid's take home pay is much more than Spore low income citizens.

    Some rich employers/expats/activists deliberately DO NOT factor in FDW's live-in costs. All employee receives a salary and need to pay his/her own transport, food, insurance, accommodation, etc EXCEPT FDWs. Therefore, it is most sensible that you sum up using above table. You are, not others, are providing FDW's agency fee, levy, salary, food, insurance, accommodation, in-house training, etc .... I don't believe all these are free but I believe you could be earning a lot to disregards her living costs, even a pet has a cost to live, so isn't it weird that there are people who continuously look at a maid's salary and ignored' her other costs. Sounds like 自欺欺人,何必做到那么出格,为别人做嫁衣, 尽力欺负和重伤我们 (Employers)? 埋没良心真的就能把你变成好人?

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  13. We are living 4 HDB flat. for past 2 months we are looking for transfer FDW in Far-east plaza.

    We had interview lot of transfer FDW, their expectation are not acceptable, like below
    1) Expats living in condo
    2) 4 day off
    3) cannot share with children room (Need seprate room)
    4) Need WIFI connection @ home for their FB chats
    5) Salary S$600, all week day off and Need day off on their reglious public holiday .

    Agency are avoiding locals.. they prefer Expats as clients..
    1) agency are not showing the transfer profile.
    2) Agency are not will to negotiate FDW day off with compensative .

    Agency in FAR-east plaza are making lot of money from both side.

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